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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  Personally I think critical thinking and empirical thinking are important in any science.Truth is objective not subjective. If God is true where is the supporting evidence? The bible in this regard may be the empirical evidence. In my opinion people do not turn to God for purely intellectural evidence, but empirical evidence.

  Sometimes debating and preaching can get confused. Personally I have concluded no actual evidence has ever been provided to substantiate and validate Gods existence. But that does not mean God does not exist, and in my opinion it would be nice if posters could on occasion be a little kinder to each other.

  The Rebel.
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  I think the nature of this forum requires online anonymity which is both a curse and a blessing. I think however on this site for obvious reasons being allowed to remain annoynomous is the lesser evil. However often anonymity combined with an audience can bring out the worse in people.

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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  Viviane: " who's been bullied?"

  Good point. I would suggest the best way to answer that is for a poster who thinks they are being bullied to report it to the mods.

  Why do I say this? Bottom line a forum has rules and forum members abide by those rules. To do anything less is to show disrespect to the majority of forum users. If a forum member is continuously breaking forum rules to gain satisfaction from provoking posters then upon a fair investigation by the mods I am sure appropriate action will be taken.

  In fact we could report a person who we feel is deliberately provoking us, only to find out the rules are not being violated and the moderators do not share our viewpoint. Possibly due to conviction some posters can be over sensitive when challenged .To post is to assume our viewpoint will be challenged in debate. Therefore before entering a debate do you have the stuff to back up your opinion?

  The Rebel.
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  statTrekAngel, Thank you for that post.

  A) I think that everyone has the right to share their opinion on a topic.
  

  B) I think people should be tolerant and respectful of the poster and their opinion even if they don't necessarily agree with the content.

  It should be noted that we have the opportunity to flag a moderator, when forum bullying or inappropriate comments are made. I am sure forum bullying is taken very seriously by the mods and any who continue in this behaviour, and do not adhere to forum guildlines about posting will be removed from the board.

  The Rebel
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  The Psychological Manipulation of the Watchtower.

  by The Rebel in

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  2. friends

  when someone interacts with you they can influence your thoughts and also manipulate your thinking.

  i became aware that this is what i was doing with householders on the ministry.

  we chipped away at householders with manipulation, and called it a return call.

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  Have you also noticed how at the Kingdom Hall our minds were being conditioned to see the world and outsiders negatively ( Essentially that's the usual outline of a public talk) With the continued bombardment and repetition of this negative thinking we also begin to see the world and outsiders negatively, and thus the world outside the Kingdom Hall becomes a dangerous and fearful place for us.

  Try this exercise each time you hear something negative at the Kingdom Hall, counteract the thought ( in your mind) with a positive viewpoint.

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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

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  Noted Viviane, thanks for the respectful replys. Have a great evening, I am off to football with my boy.

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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
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  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

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  Cappytan " When will people get it that the onus is on the one making the claim to prove that claim"

  Agreed.You should also note this thread is titled " Why do you no longer believe in God" so I assumed comments would offer evidence to that effect.

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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

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  Viviane your great. If you could give me a straight answer as why you say God does not exist I would appreciate it, otherwise continuing this conversation is going nowhere. Viviane I am an athiest, but you are the respected celebrated lawyer and expert on this board, alwaysgiving giving a funeral to those that believe in God. Personally I have no problem with that, if you could prove God does not exist. But you can't.

  My conclusion is even Athiests like Viviane and the Rebel without being able to offer conclusive evidence God does not exist can be wrong.

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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

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  Viviane let me introduce myself, I am God and I am sure you have been hearing of my charity work? and my fight against injustice and poverty? Well I happened to be in court today when your thrilling address to the jury proved this was all bullshit. But that does not prove my non existence.

  Viviane can you prove My non-existence?

  kind Regards

  God.

  The Rebel.
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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

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  Viviane I agree the responsibility should "lie with the one making the claim" But for illustration this is why I say " the responsibility does not lie with the one making the claim"

  Now let's assume you just came from the election board. Viviane is now sitting on the bench and everything is absolutely legal. We have just discoverd that I voted more than once.Now this is wrong, but do my two votes count ? Unless you can disprove this matter I would suggest they do.

  So can you prove God does not exist?

  The Rebel.